Alex Gibney

I would agree with that point of view.

However, I would also say that

War has a peculiar effect on people and can engender a sense of nationalism, which I believe is rising.

Not only a sense of nationalism, but that nationalism undergirded by the undertow of victimhood.

So so Netanyahu is is very much using that.

And I think it would be a mistake to think that he's unpopular.

We'll find out very soon, you know, when elections happen.

But but I think that as long as you're waging war, people tend to rally around the commander in chief, which I think is.

It is both a cynical ploy by Netanyahu and also a longstanding goal of his to be able to wage war across the Levant and expand Israel's power and influence.

It's hard for me to say.

I mean, I think that to some extent,

I see him more as a politician.

Now, I don't have access to what his real views are, but when you hear politicians

quoting scripture in effect, it tends to be for the reason that they're trying to undergird their policies with the force of God.

It's an old script, and I think Netanyahu knows very well that it's an effective one.

That would be my gut.

I really don't know or have any insight into what he believes when he's alone in a room, what his relationship is with God.

It's not a good thing.

And we can also see that this hard right-wing faction has wreaked havoc on the...

on the West Bank and, you know, settlements are expanding a pace in a really reprehensible way.