Alex Gibney

There's lots of, you know, it's sort of out of the public eye.

But that, I think, was the one of the goals from the beginning, you know,

with his reckoning with Hamas and all of this stuff.

But also, you know, because Netanyahu, in order to stay in power, another corrupt deal, he makes a deal with the hard right and then goes very hard right.

It's not like he was ever a peacenik, but now he goes very, very, very hard right.

And at the great expense of the lives of

and livelihoods of many Palestinians.

So, like, I think that's just... The degree of violence by settlers on Palestinians in the West Bank is rapacious.

I mean, it's... And it goes on day after day after day after day.

That's fair to say.

And indeed, when, you know, we tried to produce the film in secret, I had some able friends.

um helpers i mean not only was alexis bloom an extraordinary talented woman directing it but in israel you know we were aided by a guy named raviv drucker um who is a a noted journalist in israel helped us to contextualize some of this stuff but we had a sense that we had to keep it secret while we were making it and then we sort of launched um an event um

at the Toronto Film Festival in 2024.

It was a work in progress because we felt at that moment this kind of thing needed to be seen.

Now, Netanyahu himself went to court in Israel to try to stop the...

the premiere of the film at Toronto.

He was utterly unsuccessful.

But I should note also that the American media played a kind of unseemly role in the sense that we went to NBC first and we were going to do a rather big piece in advance of the premiere in Toronto.

And then we were told at the last minute that, oh,

NBC has decided that we're not going to do the story because it would probably upset Netanyahu and that would limit our access to the prime minister.