Alex Gibney

They said that?

Yes, they said that to me.

That's correct.

Why?

Not what I would regard as a deeply courageous move by a journalistic organization.

I was just shocked.

I mean, because I was ready to do an interview, I believe it was Andrea Mitchell.

You know, I was shocked.

And, you know, part of the reckoning was it was both craven and bad journalistically, but also sort of

in the sense that they suggested that they might have gone with it if they themselves had discovered the police interrogation videos.

But they weren't going to risk their capital with Netanyahu for something that they themselves didn't discover.

The idea of the public good or the public reckoning didn't seem to be part of the equation.

It was a very disappointing moment.

No.

I felt it was really important because those tapes, once I was able to verify them and to understand them better, I felt they shed a really important light on a vital figure in world politics, and that's in Yahoo.

Yes.

And so it seemed to me that that's my job.

And when I find out important information about public figures that shed light on wars and how we reckon with the world, that it's my job to get that story out.

So I actually didn't pause, but it took a while to figure out because I'm not a network.

You know, I'm an independent filmmaker and it took a while to figure out how to raise the money, how to and also to do it in secret so that nobody would subpoena the tapes or, you know.