Alex Honnold

Well, so at least – so, I mean, I have climbing goals going back 20 years.

I have all these notes on my phone.

I always have, like, to-do lists.

Especially when I lived in the van and I was traveling, you're, like, seasonally moving between climbing destinations nonstop.

So I'd layer out all these different types of goals.

Like, I want to do these types of things.

Certain goals lead to other goals because they're the same type of fitness, let's say.

So like doing really big things help you do even bigger things later.

But doing like really hard and intense things help you do other hard and intense things later.

You know, so in some ways in the way you stack your goals, you can kind of build up to big things or like build up to really hard things or whatever.

And so I've always had running to-do lists of like, I'm going to try to do all these climbs this year.

And realistically, I normally do like half of them or some of them I never even get to because it's like the weather's not good and I wind up going to a different area or I don't go to that climbing destination at all.

And so I never even tried the project.

But I've always had tons of goals like that.

And looking back at years and years of that type of

those types of lists, I just see that it's slightly hard to predict when you're going to achieve the things that are like cutting edge or groundbreaking or whatever.

You just have to keep doing the things nonstop.

And every once in a while, some of them rise to the top.

I mean, this kind of goes back to the same like value creating things.

Like you don't know which things are going to be rad.