Alex Honnold

Right.

That's what they used?

It wasn't even faces.

It was like random stuff, like, I don't know, like a gun and then like a light socket, you know, some things that are like neutral, some things that are whatever.

Well, I think it was a standardized thing, I think.

Yeah, totally, than in VR.

But this is, I think, one of the real values of climbing is I think that as a climber you spend all your time thinking about risk and managing risk and mitigating risk and all those kinds of things.

And so I think that, I don't want to like toot my own horn too much, but I do feel good at evaluating risks like that.

You know, like what is the actual dangerous thing?

Like what's sketchy about the situation?

And it just often isn't the thing that people are looking at.

You know, and that's what I was talking about earlier with like people watching video free-soling or whatever else.

They're like, that's sketchy.

And I'm like, well, you know, might be in some ways, but probably not for all the reasons that you're thinking.

You know what I mean?

Like the obvious visual thing is probably not the –

the big challenge.

Yeah, because either way you're going to die.

Either way you're going to die.

And you may as well die having done a lot of things you're really excited about than die.