Alex Honnold

And I'm like, well, you know, might be in some ways, but probably not for all the reasons that you're thinking.

You know what I mean?

Like the obvious visual thing is probably not the –

the big challenge.

Yeah, because either way you're going to die.

Either way you're going to die.

And you may as well die having done a lot of things you're really excited about than die.

regretting all the things you didn't do totally I mean I think that that actually that exact mindset really helped inform my whole climbing journey in a way is like my father died when when I was 19 and he died of a heart attack unexpectedly just freak thing running through an airport at age 55 and you know and I think for a young for a teenager that makes an impression where you're sort of like oh like this could end at any moment and actually in both my grandfathers had just died like at roughly the same time so I think for an impressionable you know

teen, you're sort of like, oh, everybody dies.

Like, do you get to do all the things that you want to do before you go?

And, and I think my father, my father was a community college professor taught language and, uh,

You know, he ostensibly lived a risk-free life, you know, like relatively sedentary.

I mean, he traveled widely.

He was great.

But by any risk perception thing, you'd be like, oh, he's a professor.

Like, he's fine.

And yet he still died young and probably would have preferred to do a lot of other things before he went.

I'm sort of like, you know, it's just a reminder that you got to do all those things.

Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.

I mean, and you say we know that, but I actually think that we don't talk about that enough.