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Alex Imas

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

I was going to make a point, and I realize it's a fallacy, but the reason it's a fallacy is interesting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

So I was going to say...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

I mean, it's just hard to imagine a world where there's trillions upon trillions of robots, but there's only some billion odd humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

And then like the cumulative amount we're spending on robots and like building more robots and whatever is less than what we're spending to like pay, you know, Magnus Carlsen.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

Or podcasters or whatever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

Or podcasters.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

But then I realized that's a fallacy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

The number of transistors in the world has like literally, certainly trillion X, maybe quadrillion X or something.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

And your colleague, Chad Jones, has a very interesting result about how the...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

share of the economy that is going towards paying for computing basically, like paying for the transistors, has been decreasing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

The point that you made is that one way to think about Moore's law

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

What sets price?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

Well, the price is a supply and demand.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

And so not only are we producing more transistors more cheaply, but also the value of the marginal transistor is decreasing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

And this is, in fact, literally relevant to a conversation about AI where maybe for the first time, this is no longer true.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

So the famous fact here is that an H100 costs more to rent now than it did three years ago, even though we have much superior technology and we have much more compute in the world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

Because...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?

As models get smarter, the opportunity cost of compute gets higher.