Alex Rampell

Eventually gets out, becomes the richest person in the world, but doesn't give a fuck, if I can use that language, just does not care.

He wants revenge.

Like he wants to destroy his enemies and just like conquer the world or just really destroy his enemies.

And you need that kind of motivation because going back to fun size, if somebody offers you $100 million and you're an 18-year-old kid, that is transformative.

You'd have to be an idiot to turn that down or you have to want revenge or redemption.

Revenge, redemption, kind of same thing.

And I find a lot of the best entrepreneurs, they have that going.

Like they want to prove they're better than everybody else.

They had some childhood chip on their shoulder or, you know, they were wrong at their last company.

You know, like Dave Duffield has this hostile takeover of PeopleSoft.

Of course he starts work day and he's like, fuck you, Larry Ellison.

Like there's always that kind of energy.

So the Catamana Cristo thing, I don't know how to describe it, but like the motivation has to be beyond, I want to make $50 million because if that's the motivation, then

it's not going to work for our fund size.

I love seeing that fire.

And again, a lot of the most successful companies that I've seen, they always have that.

Renault Laplanche starts Lending Club, fired from his own company.

He's made tons of money, doesn't give a shit.

He starts a competitor called Upgrade.

No accident that the company is called Upgrade.