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Alex Wagner

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2243 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

They should have some screenwriters in-house because the naming is disastrous. But here, basically what it does is it's reasoning. So you can go to DeepSeek right now and use the model. And the thing about this is it will share its chain of thought. So you'll actually see the model be able to reason through trying to figure out what your question is and then give you the best possible answer.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

They should have some screenwriters in-house because the naming is disastrous. But here, basically what it does is it's reasoning. So you can go to DeepSeek right now and use the model. And the thing about this is it will share its chain of thought. So you'll actually see the model be able to reason through trying to figure out what your question is and then give you the best possible answer.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

They should have some screenwriters in-house because the naming is disastrous. But here, basically what it does is it's reasoning. So you can go to DeepSeek right now and use the model. And the thing about this is it will share its chain of thought. So you'll actually see the model be able to reason through trying to figure out what your question is and then give you the best possible answer.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And the nice thing about reasoning is... The AI does a lot of the thinking on its end. So there used to be this whole idea like, oh, prompt engineer is going to be a new job in the world because you'll have to figure out exactly how to prompt AI models to be able to use them.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And the nice thing about reasoning is... The AI does a lot of the thinking on its end. So there used to be this whole idea like, oh, prompt engineer is going to be a new job in the world because you'll have to figure out exactly how to prompt AI models to be able to use them.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And the nice thing about reasoning is... The AI does a lot of the thinking on its end. So there used to be this whole idea like, oh, prompt engineer is going to be a new job in the world because you'll have to figure out exactly how to prompt AI models to be able to use them.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And what these reasoning models do is they basically take a lot of that work out of the equation because they figure out what you want. But Tim, I think it's important to talk about like the ways to use this thing, because yes, there is the chatbot that DeepSeek has set up that you can go and log in with your Google account and see all this happen.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And what these reasoning models do is they basically take a lot of that work out of the equation because they figure out what you want. But Tim, I think it's important to talk about like the ways to use this thing, because yes, there is the chatbot that DeepSeek has set up that you can go and log in with your Google account and see all this happen.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And what these reasoning models do is they basically take a lot of that work out of the equation because they figure out what you want. But Tim, I think it's important to talk about like the ways to use this thing, because yes, there is the chatbot that DeepSeek has set up that you can go and log in with your Google account and see all this happen.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

But the important thing is they have actually open sourced this model. So if you are an AI developer, you can download the architecture. and then run it for yourself. So you can use DeepSeek without actually having to be on the DeepSeek proprietary website.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

But the important thing is they have actually open sourced this model. So if you are an AI developer, you can download the architecture. and then run it for yourself. So you can use DeepSeek without actually having to be on the DeepSeek proprietary website.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

But the important thing is they have actually open sourced this model. So if you are an AI developer, you can download the architecture. and then run it for yourself. So you can use DeepSeek without actually having to be on the DeepSeek proprietary website.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And that opens up a range of possibilities because whereas DeepSeek might be censoring some things, like you can't really ask who the president of Taiwan is on their website, you can go to Perplexity right now and use the DeepSeek model that they've downloaded and removed a lot of the censorship from, and it will give you the right answers.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And that opens up a range of possibilities because whereas DeepSeek might be censoring some things, like you can't really ask who the president of Taiwan is on their website, you can go to Perplexity right now and use the DeepSeek model that they've downloaded and removed a lot of the censorship from, and it will give you the right answers.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

And that opens up a range of possibilities because whereas DeepSeek might be censoring some things, like you can't really ask who the president of Taiwan is on their website, you can go to Perplexity right now and use the DeepSeek model that they've downloaded and removed a lot of the censorship from, and it will give you the right answers.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

So that to me is like the real core thing here, which is that you can not only use their chatbot, You can not only use their technology, but American firms and firms worldwide today are downloading this model. They're running it as efficiently as the folks in China, and they're able to customize it and build on top of it in a way that might go against the values that the DeepSeek team has.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

So that to me is like the real core thing here, which is that you can not only use their chatbot, You can not only use their technology, but American firms and firms worldwide today are downloading this model. They're running it as efficiently as the folks in China, and they're able to customize it and build on top of it in a way that might go against the values that the DeepSeek team has.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

So that to me is like the real core thing here, which is that you can not only use their chatbot, You can not only use their technology, but American firms and firms worldwide today are downloading this model. They're running it as efficiently as the folks in China, and they're able to customize it and build on top of it in a way that might go against the values that the DeepSeek team has.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

But it doesn't matter because it's open source and available to everyone.

The Bulwark Podcast
Chris Hayes and Alex Kantrowitz: Trying To Break the Whole Thing

But it doesn't matter because it's open source and available to everyone.