Alex Wagner

I mean, and, and put very risky, high risk, high reward.

So, um, that's, uh,

That's a positive, I think, data point in all of this, that leadership is, you know, willing to take some risks in the sake of sort of preventing intraparty mutiny and holding folks together.

I think the pressure is going to be extraordinary.

I think John Thune is going to keep calling for votes on this every day.

And he's going to try and smoke out one more Democratic member.

And it's going to be an enormous strain on the coalition.

But listen, this is where all politics

You know, facets of the Democratic coalition from activists, grassroots voters, you know, people that care about the future of this, our society collectively, they need to make their voices heard as much.

I mean, right.

It can't just be a battle that's fought by the lone soldier soldiers on the hill.

Like, I really feel like this is where people who are listening to this podcast and people who give a shit about democracy.

their parents and their parents' health care and their health care in the future need to be part of keeping the sort of beach ball in the air, to use a weird Club Med metaphor.

And like if that can happen, it will give them strength.

But like the more we second guess the strategy and say it's a losing hand and say, you know, they're going to cave, the easier it will be for them to cave because they're, you know, on the front lines and Republicans are going to use every tactic they can to try and fracture the coalition and they don't need that many more votes.

Yeah.

And like the fact that he got into a fight is a testament to the degree to which he wants to, I don't know, the word isn't appease, but like I said, he is trying to be a unifying figure in all this.

So maybe don't mutiny against the captain.

Dan Pfeiffer's voicemail is going to change this.

I mean, I guess the best case scenario is the White House...