Alex Wagner

and what they'll pay for and what they won't and what they culturally and socially normally go or gravitate towards and linear cable and broadcast in general.

I'm not saying this is a good thing for the news industry because I do think there's some utility to having newsrooms and authentic anchors with lots of experience, but the trend lines are not in that direction.

You know, I must ask you, because CNN is on the verge of being run by the Ellisons, and we see what's happening at CBS.

We see Barry Weiss' mismanagement of CBS, a place I used to work.

It has had the worst ratings they've had this century, Don.

Barry Weiss is shepherding the worst ratings in CBS's history this century.

Do you hear from people inside CNN?

Are you worried for CNN?

You talk about those three red letters that mean so much to the world over.

Yeah.

And I mean.

I gotta just, on that last point.

No, you're not.

Because I have to ask you this.

Candace Owens is always, I think, in the top 10.

She's always ranked in the top five on Apple News podcasts.

Does that worry you?

I mean, because I'm with you on people want authenticity.

But I think people have been lulled by a lot of these MAGA personalities that they're the truth tellers, that they're the ones that actually have the readout on what's up, what's real.

I'm just, it worries me, though, that they are seen as, I mean, you're saying, forget it.