Alex Wagner

Like, I really feel like this is where people who are listening to this podcast and people who give a shit about democracy.

their parents and their parents' health care and their health care in the future need to be part of keeping the sort of beach ball in the air, to use a weird Club Med metaphor.

And like if that can happen, it will give them strength.

But like the more we second guess the strategy and say it's a losing hand and say, you know, they're going to cave, the easier it will be for them to cave because they're, you know, on the front lines and Republicans are going to use every tactic they can to try and fracture the coalition and they don't need that many more votes.

Yeah.

And like the fact that he got into a fight is a testament to the degree to which he wants to, I don't know, the word isn't appease, but like I said, he is trying to be a unifying figure in all this.

So maybe don't mutiny against the captain.

Dan Pfeiffer's voicemail is going to change this.

I mean, I guess the best case scenario is the White House...

offering a deal on extending ACA subsidies and and the government opens, reopens and everybody tries to take credit.

I mean, I feel like the fact that the White House is making overtures towards, you know, how much the president cares about health care by negotiating with Pfizer or whatever, you know, these sort of fig leaves that they're offering to the American public as rejoinders to the contention that the White House is populated by cruel people who don't care about Americans.

and their health care.

That's a testament to they know this is an issue that they could lose on.

So maybe there's some deal to be made there.

But I mean, I don't think that this is going to reframe.

You know, I think an important part of this, if you're in the legislative branch, is an assurance that the shit you pass in Congress doesn't just get overridden by the president.

And they're trying to stop that process from happening again.

The rescission nonsense.

Because, like, what's the point of Congress if the president can just be like, yeah, you know what?

Never mind.