Alex Wagner

The Roberts Court?

I know.

What's your feeling on how that's going to shake out?

Wow.

It feels like the federal government has real leverage over states where this is being fought out.

And the education department is also fighting Maine, California, Minnesota over efforts to cut off federal funding because those states allow trans girls to compete on girls' sports teams.

Right.

That's those are the sort of a parallel situation is multi front litigation.

I mean, I feel like the connective tissue between what's happening with that group of people and what's happening with migrants and brown people in the country is just a sort of brutalization and a diminution of their humanity.

And I worry that the impunity with which this administration is going after people they deem not worthy of belonging in this country, that that is going to give them license to, I don't know, legally be as aggressive as they possibly can be and shoot for the moon in terms of

punishing or otherwise dehumanizing people that don't fit within their political agenda.

I mean, that actually really worries me that they see what they can do in a place like Minneapolis and they're like, oh, yeah, you think we can get trans girls out of sports?

Yeah, we're going to do that plus plus.

Well, and they're betting that the fact that Renee Nicole Goode was a lesbian gives them a pass to torture her family in the wake of her death and smear her name and her story nationally with the full force of the federal government.

Right.

And nothing's going to stop them in the same way that if you're an observer standing there with your camera phone and we've seen videos of this this week.

They can push you down to the ground, regardless of whether you're, you know, following the law and an American citizen and have every right to be doing what you're doing.

There's just a sense of lawlessness that is held on the part of the law itself.

It is terrifying, Leah.

Let me ask you one more question, just as I think about this, because you're conjuring the specter of a future where there is no Trump administration.