Alex Wagner

But I mean, Dan, this is like...

It's also embarrassing for higher education, right?

It's so dark.

It's so bad.

Autocrats love targeting universities because that's where people get educated and are opened to discussion and debate.

I remember in Burma, I keep bringing it up, but one of the first things the military did after student-led protests in 88 was crack down on universities.

And to this day, they have really curbed

tons of institutions of higher learning.

They've shuttered universities before.

Nobody likes places where people learn and discuss and debate and are exposed to new concepts and ideas and people because that's a losing hand for autocracy and dictatorship.

So it's not surprising that our

you know, small handed autocrat here in the United States wants to tackle higher ed here.

And he is assisted by conservatives who have been, you know, obsessed with this for decades, right?

Like, I mean, people forget I've been writing a book for the last hour.

I mean, such a dumb idea.

It's coming out next year.

We don't have a name for it.

But one of the things that I've been going back at is the origins of the Federalist Society.

The Federalist Society started as an alt-right

college group by a bunch of conservatives who were like, there's no place for us.