Alex Wagner

Yeah, exactly. And there's a challenger in the wings. His name is Peter Magyar, and he's a wild man. He's not a progressive, but he has been really speaking out about corruption. He's been putting in a lot of time speaking across Hungary.

Yeah, exactly. And there's a challenger in the wings. His name is Peter Magyar, and he's a wild man. He's not a progressive, but he has been really speaking out about corruption. He's been putting in a lot of time speaking across Hungary.

He is a traditionally handsome man. He is very traditionally handsome man. I think that that's not hurt, his case. But I think part of the reason people feel emboldened enough to do what they're doing to come out every Tuesday is because they think this could be the turning point. They think the 2026 elections could be where Orban is ousted finally. I mean, he's been in power for 15 years, Tim.

He is a traditionally handsome man. He is very traditionally handsome man. I think that that's not hurt, his case. But I think part of the reason people feel emboldened enough to do what they're doing to come out every Tuesday is because they think this could be the turning point. They think the 2026 elections could be where Orban is ousted finally. I mean, he's been in power for 15 years, Tim.

He is a traditionally handsome man. He is very traditionally handsome man. I think that that's not hurt, his case. But I think part of the reason people feel emboldened enough to do what they're doing to come out every Tuesday is because they think this could be the turning point. They think the 2026 elections could be where Orban is ousted finally. I mean, he's been in power for 15 years, Tim.

And he has transformed that country. He has consolidated the media landscape. He has attacked civil liberties. I mean, it is stunning what he has done. And I think part of the reason, I mean, I know part of the reason we wanted to go over there is because I think America can learn a lot about its near future by looking at Hungary and its recent past.

And he has transformed that country. He has consolidated the media landscape. He has attacked civil liberties. I mean, it is stunning what he has done. And I think part of the reason, I mean, I know part of the reason we wanted to go over there is because I think America can learn a lot about its near future by looking at Hungary and its recent past.

And he has transformed that country. He has consolidated the media landscape. He has attacked civil liberties. I mean, it is stunning what he has done. And I think part of the reason, I mean, I know part of the reason we wanted to go over there is because I think America can learn a lot about its near future by looking at Hungary and its recent past.

I mean, I actually think that's the thing. I was talking to Marta Pardavi, who is an amazing civil rights, civil liberties lawyer. And she said, actually, in 2015, Orban was really successfully able to scapegoat the migrant population, the European refugee crisis.

I mean, I actually think that's the thing. I was talking to Marta Pardavi, who is an amazing civil rights, civil liberties lawyer. And she said, actually, in 2015, Orban was really successfully able to scapegoat the migrant population, the European refugee crisis.

I mean, I actually think that's the thing. I was talking to Marta Pardavi, who is an amazing civil rights, civil liberties lawyer. And she said, actually, in 2015, Orban was really successfully able to scapegoat the migrant population, the European refugee crisis.

She said, we thought because Hungary has this history of being a place for refugees and immigrants that there would be more pushback, but there wasn't. He was really successfully able, I mean, in similar ways to Donald Trump, right?

She said, we thought because Hungary has this history of being a place for refugees and immigrants that there would be more pushback, but there wasn't. He was really successfully able, I mean, in similar ways to Donald Trump, right?

She said, we thought because Hungary has this history of being a place for refugees and immigrants that there would be more pushback, but there wasn't. He was really successfully able, I mean, in similar ways to Donald Trump, right?

But the pride thing, because I think the opposition movement has learned something in the interim, they framed it not just as an attack on that community, but as this bigger question of like, can we have protests? Can we speak out? We are under threat of prosecution for just being here.

But the pride thing, because I think the opposition movement has learned something in the interim, they framed it not just as an attack on that community, but as this bigger question of like, can we have protests? Can we speak out? We are under threat of prosecution for just being here.

But the pride thing, because I think the opposition movement has learned something in the interim, they framed it not just as an attack on that community, but as this bigger question of like, can we have protests? Can we speak out? We are under threat of prosecution for just being here.

Because Orban has been so punitive in his attack here, they see this as a much bigger affront to basic tenets of democracy that Hungary purportedly stands for. And so in a way, surprising, I think, both of us, you know, pride has become more of a galvanizing issue, in part because they don't think of it just as pride. They think of it as like the sort of seminal attack on basic tenets of freedom.

Because Orban has been so punitive in his attack here, they see this as a much bigger affront to basic tenets of democracy that Hungary purportedly stands for. And so in a way, surprising, I think, both of us, you know, pride has become more of a galvanizing issue, in part because they don't think of it just as pride. They think of it as like the sort of seminal attack on basic tenets of freedom.

Because Orban has been so punitive in his attack here, they see this as a much bigger affront to basic tenets of democracy that Hungary purportedly stands for. And so in a way, surprising, I think, both of us, you know, pride has become more of a galvanizing issue, in part because they don't think of it just as pride. They think of it as like the sort of seminal attack on basic tenets of freedom.