Alex Wagner

I mean, I don't disagree with you. I guess I wonder, does that look that different than what Tim Walz tried to do? Do you feel like it was too overt? Because I think the media narrative is one thing, but just as a practical matter of strategy, I feel like it was like, he's a football guy, and he loves his wife, and he likes Kamala Harris, and he's going to roll with her and be her vice president.

It wasn't like, I am explicitly beta. Yeah.

It wasn't like, I am explicitly beta. Yeah.

It wasn't like, I am explicitly beta. Yeah.

You think it was just trying too hard.

You think it was just trying too hard.

You think it was just trying too hard.

Yeah. I mean, I see what you're saying. Like, make it, like, do it, but make it less obvious. Just do it in a more natural, less forced, less, like, kind of like... you're making a thesis argument for a different kind of masculinity to the American public rather just like behave, show them do.

Yeah. I mean, I see what you're saying. Like, make it, like, do it, but make it less obvious. Just do it in a more natural, less forced, less, like, kind of like... you're making a thesis argument for a different kind of masculinity to the American public rather just like behave, show them do.

Yeah. I mean, I see what you're saying. Like, make it, like, do it, but make it less obvious. Just do it in a more natural, less forced, less, like, kind of like... you're making a thesis argument for a different kind of masculinity to the American public rather just like behave, show them do.

Wait, the right saying that I don't think being nice.

Wait, the right saying that I don't think being nice.

Wait, the right saying that I don't think being nice.

Yeah, I mean, so maybe what you're suggesting is a tougher edge with the same expansive ideas about gender. Like an ass-kicking version of a beta cuck. I'm kidding. Like...

Yeah, I mean, so maybe what you're suggesting is a tougher edge with the same expansive ideas about gender. Like an ass-kicking version of a beta cuck. I'm kidding. Like...

Yeah, I mean, so maybe what you're suggesting is a tougher edge with the same expansive ideas about gender. Like an ass-kicking version of a beta cuck. I'm kidding. Like...

And there's kicking someone in the nuts. Can we do all... I mean, it's... Listen. But can I just say part of it is not about politics. It's just kind of where we are as a society and we're trying to fucking grapple our way through the darkness. It's complicated. It's complicated. It's really hard. And I got to say, like...

And there's kicking someone in the nuts. Can we do all... I mean, it's... Listen. But can I just say part of it is not about politics. It's just kind of where we are as a society and we're trying to fucking grapple our way through the darkness. It's complicated. It's complicated. It's really hard. And I got to say, like...

And there's kicking someone in the nuts. Can we do all... I mean, it's... Listen. But can I just say part of it is not about politics. It's just kind of where we are as a society and we're trying to fucking grapple our way through the darkness. It's complicated. It's complicated. It's really hard. And I got to say, like...

People who have been marginalized for a long time and are just getting heard and seen are like, yeah, fuck you. I'm not going back into the darkness. And the people who are on the downslope, which is to say or feel like they're on the downslope or becoming less powerful in society are like, yeah, fuck that. No way. I like my seat just fine. Thank you so much.