Alex Wagner

A real thing, a real development, even if its essence is not new, the construct of this entire online sort of world subsuming young men and sort of radicalizing them in a conservative direction seems like something that, like, progressives and Democrats and people...

who care about empathy need to sort of like unpack and maybe figure out how to unwind.

And I guess I totally understand the notion of reconnecting to people and encouraging conversation and community and all of the rest.

But I wonder if you think there's anything more explicit that like, I don't know, our leaders need to do or we as members of society need to think about.

Apparently, we need to do a lot more.

Well, then let's talk about women, because you are a feminist.

And I wonder how you think of that concept in the Trump years, how it's changed and what being a feminist demands.

I mean... You don't have to answer.

But that's, you know, can I just say that in these times requires a degree of like connection to your own humanity and cultivating empathy.

You know, like you giving a shit about the men in the manosphere, at least, you know, sort of objectively requires a certain, you know.

a connection to the outcomes of your fellow humans or an investment in your humanity.

Do you find that challenging in these times as you see the sort of disposability with which this administration in particular handles the lives of certain people who aren't, and certain entire regions of the country that are critical or don't agree with them and their worldview?

I find it very challenging.

Okay.

Then it's hard.

The empathy is hard in those.

What did you think?

You know, I'm thinking of the moment when Charlie Kirk's widow said she forgave the man who assassinated her husband.

Did she?

What did you think of that?