Alex Wagner

White people are being discriminated against.

And therefore, any protections that exist in our society should be done away with because it's all kind of meaningless.

I mean, I think that's the kind of natural endpoint is to...

effectively turn back the clock, like, and get rid of all the gains made on race and in civil rights in the last, I'd say, a hundred years.

Like, I really think, and using you as a kind of example of like, oh yeah, see, like this is, we need to protect the country.

White

white church congregants need to be protected from the black menace.

Like, don't you talk, don't at us about the Klan and like all the black people suffer.

Look what's happening to white people with these black people storming their churches.

Do you know what I mean?

I feel like it's a way of making a white people feel better about the history they have in the United States of America, but also rendering that history, the real history of America, like,

less potent, less malignant.

And that's fucked up.

Yes, it's an acknowledgement.

Inherent in it is discrimination against people of color.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm getting against to say a lot of white male Trump supporters not that interested in being people of color to say nothing of the power grid, but just- Yeah, but that doesn't mean that there aren't poor white Americans, that white Americans aren't struggling.

Well, I think that's part of it, too, is that it's the zero sum race game.

And all of this, I will just say, is explored so brilliantly by my friend Heather McGee in her book, The Sum of Us, which is like the idea of someone else is doing better.

That means you're doing worse.