Alex Wagner

It's a powerful tool that you have.

I mean, I wonder what you think.

I have to ask this in the context of civility, because the calls for civility always mushroom in moments of political protest and, you know, citizens on the street.

And when we saw those ICE protests in LA, they were deemed, you know, criminal and dangerous, even though, I mean, Waymo's accepted, they weren't

They weren't criminal for the large part, or they weren't dangerous.

And I sort of wonder whether you think there's a little bit of, not a risk, but that there needs to be a cautionary note sounded in and around this.

Because I believe that some of this crackdown on blue cities and states is to actually foment

you know, violent behavior or criminal behavior, which so far, you know, nobody's taken the bait.

But one wonders whether the calls for civility are just a red herring.

I mean, I'm saying this rhetorically more than anything else.

And really, whether Trump's just gunning for, you know, he wants people out in the streets and defacing property because that gives him the excuse to further crack down.

You bring up gender, and I want to talk a little bit because you're a feminist about one of the things that fueled Trump's rise, which is the manosphere.

That's like red-pilled men who blame women for not only their own problems, but society's problems at large.

Is the manosphere something new?

Do you think, I mean, yeah, like I have two boys and I'm constantly thinking like, oh God, is the manosphere the natural extension?

Like, are they going to get subsumed by it?

So we talk about feelings a lot.

We get off the screens a lot.

I mean, I just think what is the way that society or women or whoever wants to take the mantle upon themselves to – how do you combat the manosphere?

It feels – I mean, I don't want to be unduly emphatic about its importance, but it does feel like –