Roxane Gay on the Myth of Civility
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Welcome to Pod Save America. I am Alex Wagner. Charlie Kirk's assassination deepened an already extraordinary political divide. Members of both parties condemned the killing and they mourned Kirk's death, regardless of whether they agreed with his politics. But Republicans quickly turned that tragedy into an attack line. They flooded social media and they accused Democrats of celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, even though no elected Democrat actually did that. Vice President J.D. Vance urged Americans not just to call out people celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, but to report them to their employers. And Vance capped that off with a plea for civility.
We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility. And there is no civility in the celebration of political assassination.
A call for civility while masked ICE agents racially profile and detain people in unmarked vans. A call for civility while the National Guard patrols some of America's most densely populated cities under the guise of fighting crime. A call for civility after the president of the United States directed 800 or so of his top generals to focus on what he now calls, quote, the war from within. How can we be civil here when the politics are so violent? Writer Roxane Gay has an answer. We can't. She argues that civility in a country where one party is working to erase the rights of anyone who doesn't fit into a narrow and predominantly white male conservative vision of America, that that is a fantasy. This week, we're going to dive into her analysis, the myth of civility, the government shutdown, feminism in the red pill apocalypse, and a lot more.
Here's my conversation with Roxane Gay. First of all, thank you for doing this. It's great to have you. Well, it's great to get some time from you to talk about the state of the world. I guess I want to start, Professor Gray, Roxanne, with the article that you wrote in the New York Times a few weeks ago about the myth of civility in American politics. Maybe you can start by explaining what civility is in your estimation and why it's a fantasy.
Well, there are unfortunately multiple definitions for civility, but when it's used in sociopolitical discourse, most often it means don't get too excited. Don't get too angry. Don't be too hurt. This is all an intellectual exercise. Don't step out of line. Don't do what they say. you know, what your opposition perceives as harm. And that harm really is oftentimes about their egos. And, you know, don't make me feel complicit in whatever is happening in our world. Don't make me feel like, I've done something wrong, don't make me feel ashamed, as if we have any control over that, which we don't. And it's really unfortunate because it compromises honest and productive conversations, and it's always used as a weapon.
Look at this lack of civility. And when you look at the current state of the world, which is such an inadequate phrase, You can see that what is uncivil is ICE terrorizing an apartment building in Chicago in the middle of the night and taking people from their beds.
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