Alex Wagner

And it looked like the 1870s was kind of the high watermark for the invocation of the Insurrection Act.

Unbelievable.

I mean, as I said, we're recording this.

It's important to timestamp the recording because the situation is so kinetic and new videos emerge, it feels like, every day.

I mean, just a few days ago, there's a video of federal agents...

Seen on video dragging a woman from her car, doing a protest and throwing her to the ground as they try and clear the streets.

And I'm reminded as these videos come across the transom of the words of the governor of Minnesota earlier this week who said, if you see ICE agents, hit record.

which is something people are doing and props to them because that's not without some potential peril.

But I wonder, you know, if you're a lay person and you're living in one of these neighborhoods, or even if you're not, what levers exist for people outside of government to hold ICE accountable beyond their camera phones?

I keep talking about that.

Yeah.

Right.

It's not just trying to minimize the power and terror of ICE.

It's also trying to strengthen the resolve and resilience of the community itself.

Yeah.

You mentioned they're not trained.

And that, I think, is like something that is quite clearly, it's obvious when you look at these videos.

ProPublica has some essential, really urgent reporting this week about ICE agents using banned chokeholds on American citizens.

And I would assume that, you know, because that is explicitly banned in the DHS policy guidebook or whatever it's officially called, does that then make it easier for those families and those victims to take their case against ICE to court?

I know we're going to get into the difficulty of civil suits with federal agents in a second, but just using explicitly banned policies