Alex Wagner

No, I'm kidding.

Let's talk about what happened in Minnesota in January.

You went out there.

I went out there after you.

But I remember thinking like, oh, boy.

Everybody who went out to Minnesota after seeing what happened to you, every journalist, I think, was way more cautious, way more concerned about where they were, how they were doing, not because you had done something necessarily wrong, but because of what the administration did.

So let's talk about you were live streaming a protest inside a church.

And so what were you hoping to cover and sort of how did that all come about?

Yeah.

Yes, to the degree they can talk about it.

Sorry.

Even if you did know them, and even if people were offended by your questions, that doesn't make you any less of a journalist.

Do you know what I mean?

In defense of that, I know plenty of people that I interview, and that still makes it journalism.

That does not disqualify it from being journalism.

And I will note, in that live stream, you recognize that there are two sides here, and at one point you're like...

Maybe they could get together and talk and figure this whole thing out.

I mean, it was like the idea that this was somehow that you were inciting some sort of offensive or wounding engagement that caused suffering and harm is like, I don't know.

Just as a layperson that watched the journalism that you did, it all seems quite cocked up.

And I...