Alex Wagner

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You are someone that tells the truth about what you think.

Unfortunately.

No, well, I think, too, you know, it's incredible.

I think there are obviously people that are going to disagree with you, but it's like you're an incredible writer.

You're very compelling.

And I think the piece about civility is very provocative.

It really engenders a lot of conversation.

And that, I think, is a good thing for society, even if you don't necessarily disagree with what you're writing about.

How do you look at the really concerted, really unprecedented effort on the part of this administration to go after

public critics, journalists, anybody who's out there speaking in an uncensored way about the ills of this president and his allies.

As we think about kind of the stakes, right?

And I'm just listening to this example you cite about literally being afraid for your life as you speak your opinion publicly.

Some people say we are on the brink of authoritarianism, and some people just say we are under the rule of an authoritarian leader.

First of all, do you think the distinction makes a difference?

And where do you think we are?

That is our cold comfort.

I do wonder, though, as we think about the net effect of these years beyond the partisan divide, the kind of chasmic partisan divide, and the isolation and the sense of disassociation within one country.

I wonder about our ability to even determine the truth at the end of it all.