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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

how fast it's going to go.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It won't know what munitions it has.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It won't know what its range is.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It won't know all the key facts.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Unless, by the way, they have really good intel and they already know all those things because they've hacked us.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But let's assume they don't know.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So the first few conflicts, it's not really going to be able to figure out what's happening.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And that's a...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

That's a key component of strategic surprise is always having new platforms that won't be sort of simulatable, let's say, by enemy wargaming tech.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So that's definitely part of it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But at a certain point,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

it's going to know what the hardware are capable of, and it's going to be able to run the simulations to understand how that changes the calculus.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Because ultimately, right, what's going to happen is... And some of this stuff, like, you know, this is, like...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

you know some of this stuff is dissonant because obviously if you look at what happens today in the military it looks nothing like this but let's play the play the tape forward and like see what happens in the future ultimately you're gonna run large-scale simulations and it's going to figure out hey this new you know uh

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

unmanned surface vehicle has this much range, it can go this quickly, it can maneuver in this way, it has this kind of munitions, it has this kind of connectivity, it is vulnerable to these kinds of, you know, EW attacks, whatever they may be, it can be jammed in these ways, and those will all just be parameters for the simulation to run.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So I think... But initially, you would have no recommendations.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, I believe so.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I believe that, you know, we have this concept that we talk about a lot, which is human sovereignty.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

AI systems are going to get way better, but how do we ensure that humans remain sovereign?