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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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1582 total appearances

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So basically, can you poison the data that we're using to train the AIs such that

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

to your point, I've altered the behavior of your AIs in a way that you don't know about, and that's going to have cascading effects across your whole military operation.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

That's one.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then the second one is basically, if you're able to do the whole operation quickly enough, you basically hack in

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

and you, kind of as we were talking about before, you would destroy the traces.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You destroyed any sort of trace that you had hacked in, and you have an agent that hacked in, removed that trace and the evidence of you hacking in before it was alerted or notified.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

That's maybe a bit more extreme, but definitely the data poisoning stuff is more concerning in the near term.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Damn.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So how would you...

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Well, the issue is we're still going to rely on it for lots of things.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, so to your point, strategic surprise becomes the name of the game very quickly.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And how do you create an operation such that you maximize the amount of strategic surprise against an adversarial AI?

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

That's one.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then honestly, the second thing that's really critical is a lot of this will just plain up boil down to, like straight up boil down to how...

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

many copies you have running and how large your data centers are and how much industrial capacity you have to run these AIs, both centrally and at the edge in all the theaters and in every environment.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, this is, this is a great question.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

In general, um,

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So the first time it sees a totally new, let's say a USV or UUV or whatever it might be that it's never seen before, it won't be able to predict what's going to happen.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Because it won't know...

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