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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You know... Right now, probably yes.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But the...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It's definitely possible in the future that you will be able to effectively hack into a system or somehow poison an AI system and have that activity be relatively untraceable.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Because you would basically hack into that AI system.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So there's two ways you would do it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

One is you poison the data that goes into that AI.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I'm not hacking into the AI itself.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I'm just poisoning all the data that's feeding into that AI such that at any moment in the future, I can activate that AI and basically hack it without any sort of active intrusion.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But I can just do it because I've poisoned the data that goes into the AI such that if I like, you know,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, exactly.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, exactly.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So, so data poisoning is going to is, but this is what's so terrifying about deep seek.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

One of the reasons why deep seek is really scary is, um, uh,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

China chose to open source the model, right?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So there's a lot of corporates, large scale corporates in the United States that have chosen to use DeepSeek because they're like, oh, it's a good model and it's a good AI and it's free.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Why not use it?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But DeepSeq itself as a model could already be compromised, could already be poisoned in some way such that there are characteristics or behavior or ways to activate DeepSeq that

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

the CCP and the PLA know about that we don't.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So that's why deep-seek is scary.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So the first area is just data poisoning.