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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Like, just in the same way that you would command your forces today, like all of your, you know, your various, your forces across all domains to like try to pincer or outmaneuver the enemy, you'll do the same kind of planning for

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You're like AI army, so to speak, or you're AI... Allocation of assets.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, you're allocation of assets, exactly.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And a lot of it will be, okay, how many am I dedicating towards hacking and sabotaging the opponent?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

How many am I dedicating towards my own military planning and wargaming process?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

The other thing is how many you allocate towards...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

uh towards you know the the other key component here is drones and uh how many are allocating towards doing the like very tactical mission level autonomy to accomplish you know mission level objectives um but it'll be it'll be like i think it really boils down to ultimately who has more resources and then what are those resources that's going to be about

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

large-scale data centers.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So who has bigger data centers and more power to run all these AI agents?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, that, yeah, no, you're exactly right.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Then I, yeah, exactly.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You have another AI that's planning out and mapping out, you know, how should I allocate my AI resources to properly deal with the adversary, given what I know about the adversary.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then, so then what are the ways in which

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You know, so then what are the key dimensions that would give you an edge versus your adversary?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Well, it's if A, your AI is different somehow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So it actually is like hard for your adversary to know exactly how you would act.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Like basically strategic surprise in some form, in the form of like a different thinking process or a different sort of like way of reasoning of the AI systems.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And the other one is ambiguity of what your resources actually are.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

If somehow I can make the adversary think that I have way fewer resources than I actually do or way more resources than I actually do, that'll be a critical element of strategic surprise in those kinds of situations as well.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So, yeah, this is a great question.