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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I'm just purely focused on cyber hacking of your 100 AIs.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then my other 5,000 copies are going to do the military planning process for myself.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Then think about the adversary.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I have this choice.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I have 100 AIs.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

If I have them all focus on doing the military planning process, I'm going to get hacked because I'm not doing any cyber defense.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then even if I have all of them focus on cyber defense, even those numbers are bad.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It's like 100 AIs versus 5,000 AIs from you.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And so I probably still get hacked.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So the numbers end up mattering a lot.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Even if the other adversary... Let's say it's only a 2x advantage.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I have 10,000 copies running and the adversary has 5,000 copies running.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I can do the same thing.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

5,000 of my copies are just focused on hacking your AI so that your AI is incapacitated or has incorrect information or is poisoned in some way, like basically is incapable, incapacity for some reason.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And the other half of my AIs are focused on the military planning process.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Again, the adversary is screwed because...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

To properly deal with a cyber attack, I need probably all 5,000 copies to be focused on cyber defense.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then I have no capacity left to do the military planning.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Wow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So it really turns into this very...