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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They, the CCP put out a broad whole of government, you know, civil military fusion plan to win on AI.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Like you're mentioning, Xi Jinping himself has been, has spoken about how AI is going to define the future winners of,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

this global competition.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

From a military standpoint, they say explicitly, hey, we believe that AI

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

is a leapfrog technology, which means even though our military is worse than America's military today, if we overinvest in AI, we have a more AI-enabled military than theirs, we could leapfrog them.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So they've been super invested.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Right now, I think the best way to kind of paint the current situation is they...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

are way ahead on power and power generation.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They're behind on chips, but catching up on chips.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They are ahead of us on data.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

China has had, again, since 2018, a large-scale operation to dominate on data.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

In 2023, I think, there were over 2 million people in China who were working inside data factories, basically as data labelers or annotators, basically creating data to fuel into AI systems.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I think that number in the US by comparison is something like 100,000.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They're outspending us 12 to 1 on data.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They have over seven cities, full cities in China that are dedicated data hubs that are basically powering this broad approach to data dominance.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then on algorithms, I think they are on par with us because of large-scale espionage.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And this is I think one of these open secrets in the tech industry that Chinese intelligence basically steals all of the IP and technological secrets from from the United States There are a bunch of very concerning reports here.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So one is there was a Google engineer who took a

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

the designs and all the IP of how Google designed their AI chips and just took those and moved to China and then started a company on top using those designs.