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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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1582 total appearances

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But they cited issues.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

First, there were issues around permitting and getting enough power, and they dealt with some EPA issues.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then they just have issues where the technicians working in Arizona aren't as skilled or don't work as hard as those working in Taiwan.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So...

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They've built a few fabs in the United States.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Red tape, power, workforce.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then there's another key thing, which is

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

If you look at it from Taiwan Semiconductor, from TSMC's perspective, they're not all that incentivized to stand up all these capabilities in the United States.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

As soon as they start standing up all these capabilities in the United States, the United States is not incentivized to defend Taiwan.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And...

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It's a Taiwanese company.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So, and it's a critical part of their survival strategy.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So that's really where the rubber hits the road is, are they actually incentivized to do a large scale build out of chip manufacturing capacity in the United States?

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I think the answer is like, no.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I mean, you can imagine some kind of deal with, with China, um, between the U S and China, it'd have to be like a diplomatic deal at the highest levels, which is something along the lines of, you know, Hey, you guys can have Taiwan, but we need large scale fabs in, you know, we need large scale chip manufacturing in the United States or something like that.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And like, you know, maybe there's worlds where that kind of deal could get, could get drawn up.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I don't know.

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Um,

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