Ali Eslami

What do you see that we should know about?

I would be describing something that

Totally abstract.

It was abstract.

It was in the lab.

And maybe I could point to a research paper that they could go and read and so on.

One thing that's changed is that the research that happens in AI today gets turned into products very, very rapidly.

So...

The stuff that you use when you go to Google or OpenAI or Anthropic or whoever else is actually very, very close to the frontier of what's possible anywhere in the world.

So in that sense, pretty much what you're experiencing is what we're experiencing.

Yeah, perhaps.

And also I spend a lot of time actually using this stuff.

Most people might be using it to the extent that it helps their personal lives or careers, but it's my job to interrogate it, as you were saying.

Right, yeah.

I mean, I think the surfing...

has been around for a long time, actually.

So what I mean by surfing is that the sea is tumultuous and there's waves of innovation that come.

And I see my role as being one of a surfer where I have to be leaning just enough into the future to kind of make forward progress, but not too far that I fall into the abyss.

And so, so much of the job is to keep track of what's going on and to push just a little bit.

And going back to your earlier question, I think most people in the audience, I'm sure, have used chatbots and image generators and so on.