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Alice Han

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1631 total appearances

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The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Last week, President Trump announced that he was reversing a years-long policy banning US chip makers from selling their powerful AI chips to China.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

In a social media post, Trump indicated that Nvidia would be allowed to sell their H200 chips in China, the second most powerful AI chips the company makes.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

This marks a major shift in policy and implicates the whole AI industry as the engine driving the global economy, as well as putting a spotlight on the ongoing tensions between the US and China.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Joining me to talk through all of this is Chris Miller.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

He is a professor of international history at Tufts University and is the author of the critically acclaimed 2022 book, Chip War, The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Chris, there's nobody better to speak on this topic.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

So thank you so much for joining me today on China Decode.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Let's start with the export controls and how that we've seen a major shift.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Certainly, people who have been watching this closely are disheartened to some extent with Trump relaxing on H200s.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

But maybe from the ground up, can you walk us through why this actually matters and why this has been a big shift to, say, go from the H20s, where he relaxed, to the H200s?

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

What is the quantum leap, so to speak, between the two?

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

And why is he issuing this policy shift?

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Because to my mind, he was really the first to issue this clarion call in his first Trump administration about the need to do export controls.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

This year, I think we've seen a move towards being dovish on some of these chips issues.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

And certainly people point to David Sachs being the crypto and AISR as being one proponent of this.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

But what is the rationale from Trump's perspective in basically reducing these export controls?

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

And to grab onto that second point that you mentioned, do you think it's plausible, that argument?

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Because to my mind, at least, people who follow the Chinese chip industry are saying that this could actually give China more of an edge in the broader AI competition.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

Certainly, it raises China's compute capabilities and it reduces the gap between the U.S.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
China Decode: Why China’s Baby Bust Meets a Condom Tax

and China on compute alone.