Alice Levine

Paul Osborne.

Paul first met Jade during her initial application process for Big Brother and then went on to be the executive producer of her celebrity Big Brother return.

Paul Osborne joins us after this.

Paul, thank you so much for joining us.

You're welcome.

So you worked as a producer on Big Brother from the very first series.

When did you first hear about it and what made you want to work on it and get involved?

And at that point, what was home life like for her?

Was there anything in that meeting that made you think she might be divisive?

And when you're going on that initial visit, or even when you're looking at audition tapes and things, is part of your decision making at that point, is this person going to cope well with the experience?

Any fragility that you sense?

How is that going to react with that very unusual setup of the format?

And it's unprecedented.

You know, you can't really prepare them because it's such a strange set up.

Do you think there was a classist element to that reaction from the public or maybe more importantly from the press?

Totally shocking, yeah.

And obviously some of those moments are completely innocuous.

You know, East Angula, that's a funny moment.

And you're probably delighted that episode to have that, you know, that mistaken.

And that becomes like a really enjoyable, you know, moment or thread for her.