Alice

Yeah, that's a really good point because basically we have all the autopsy right there. And one other thing I'll note about whether multiple people could have done it or not, people point to the binding as, well, if you can bind them, then perhaps you can control them. Note what they're being bound with. Whoever did this didn't bring their own bondage materials. This was a...

Yeah, that's a really good point because basically we have all the autopsy right there. And one other thing I'll note about whether multiple people could have done it or not, people point to the binding as, well, if you can bind them, then perhaps you can control them. Note what they're being bound with. Whoever did this didn't bring their own bondage materials. This was a...

In some ways, you can imagine this was an on-the-fly way of either containing them or to make sure that they didn't float up. You know, if they're more compact, easier to make sure that they're sucked into the mud that we talked about last time to be able to get away. They're using the shoelaces from the shoes. Where were the shoelaces? In the shoes.

In some ways, you can imagine this was an on-the-fly way of either containing them or to make sure that they didn't float up. You know, if they're more compact, easier to make sure that they're sucked into the mud that we talked about last time to be able to get away. They're using the shoelaces from the shoes. Where were the shoelaces? In the shoes.

Now, if you have shoes with shoelaces, you know how it goes. Even if you have a very short, you know, tongue of the sneaker, it still crisscrosses at least a couple times. And if it's an actual sneaker, you know, it crisscrosses multiple times. The majority of the shoelace is going to be within the shoe, crisscrossed. And yes, of course, you can pull one side and yank out the entire shoelace.

Now, if you have shoes with shoelaces, you know how it goes. Even if you have a very short, you know, tongue of the sneaker, it still crisscrosses at least a couple times. And if it's an actual sneaker, you know, it crisscrosses multiple times. The majority of the shoelace is going to be within the shoe, crisscrossed. And yes, of course, you can pull one side and yank out the entire shoelace.

It is possible, but it is... A more time-consuming bondage material than, say, if you just brought your own rope or you brought your own twine or what have you. Zip ties. You know, there's a reason that, you know, there are jokes about buying zip ties because that's very easy to manipulate and use. Shoelaces. There's at least the taking it out of the shoe and then tying at least two ties per boy.

It is possible, but it is... A more time-consuming bondage material than, say, if you just brought your own rope or you brought your own twine or what have you. Zip ties. You know, there's a reason that, you know, there are jokes about buying zip ties because that's very easy to manipulate and use. Shoelaces. There's at least the taking it out of the shoe and then tying at least two ties per boy.

Six ties total. Six shoes that have to be de-shoelaced. So something to think about as well in terms of timing and what the purpose of tying them is.

Six ties total. Six shoes that have to be de-shoelaced. So something to think about as well in terms of timing and what the purpose of tying them is.

Right. Okay, so to the testimony at trial. So Frank Peretti was the associate medical examiner for the state of Arkansas. He's presented in the documentaries as kind of a bit of a rube, just like, honestly, everyone else in the case. They portray... basically everyone in Arkansas as being a Rube.

Right. Okay, so to the testimony at trial. So Frank Peretti was the associate medical examiner for the state of Arkansas. He's presented in the documentaries as kind of a bit of a rube, just like, honestly, everyone else in the case. They portray... basically everyone in Arkansas as being a Rube.

But he did receive his medical degree, and then he studied anatomical pathology at Brown University, so hardly a Rube, before beginning his career at the Baltimore Medical Examiner's Office. Peretti testified that Michael Moore was bound with black shoelaces in a hog-tied fashion, right arm to right ankle.

But he did receive his medical degree, and then he studied anatomical pathology at Brown University, so hardly a Rube, before beginning his career at the Baltimore Medical Examiner's Office. Peretti testified that Michael Moore was bound with black shoelaces in a hog-tied fashion, right arm to right ankle.

the injuries to moore's head were consistent with being struck by an object with a broad surface area like a log four inches or so in diameter other wounds were made by an object the size of a broom handle now michael had multiple fractures all over his skull and he had defensive wounds on his hands he also had injuries to his ears and mouth

the injuries to moore's head were consistent with being struck by an object with a broad surface area like a log four inches or so in diameter other wounds were made by an object the size of a broom handle now michael had multiple fractures all over his skull and he had defensive wounds on his hands he also had injuries to his ears and mouth

In Peretti's experience, this was consistent with either being forced to perform oral sex or putting a hand over someone's mouth to keep them quiet. The cause of death was multiple injuries with drowning.

In Peretti's experience, this was consistent with either being forced to perform oral sex or putting a hand over someone's mouth to keep them quiet. The cause of death was multiple injuries with drowning.

So next he testifies about Christopher Byers. He says that Christopher was bound with one black shoelace and one white shoelace and his right ear was contused and abraded and he had abrasions on his face and lips. And he also testified that there were bite marks on the sides of the cheeks inside the mouth. Now, again, back to the bite marks, especially with the conditions of the bodies.

So next he testifies about Christopher Byers. He says that Christopher was bound with one black shoelace and one white shoelace and his right ear was contused and abraded and he had abrasions on his face and lips. And he also testified that there were bite marks on the sides of the cheeks inside the mouth. Now, again, back to the bite marks, especially with the conditions of the bodies.