Chapter 1: What travel experiences do Alice and the host share?
Okay, Alice is here.
Hey everyone.
Alice and I just got back from Japan together.
We did. I don't think we're fully recovered yet.
In what sense do you mean?
You know, we like didn't really do it right.
At all.
No, and like I kept telling you and you didn't believe me and now I'm just like having like some post-trip depression about it.
Like what do you wish we did?
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Chapter 2: What post-trip feelings do they discuss?
You started crying.
Oh, no, I actually had to take a minute. It was, do you remember that?
I just remember.
Oh, and should we talk about the TikTok?
What TikTok? TikTok.
in Kyoto oh yeah when I tried to make my TikTok that was just horrible I tried to make the Phoebe Bridgers day off in Kyoto and I kept trying to get a shot of what was it I was trying to get your shot and I and but then it was Ali's shot and then it was back to me and I kept being like just I don't want to be in it I just I just don't and then we had to separate again and then CG was like really just like handling the entire thing she was like our like
group trip leader. And then also like just trying to keep the peace between all of us. But she was, she was like on my side.
She did demand quiet time when we were skiing and I got back to the room.
Yeah, that was bad. So that was definitely like the worst day. Cause that, but why did you fart in my face?
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Chapter 3: What were the highlights and lowlights of their trip?
We were set on getting Alice a Birkin. Instead, do you want to know what Alice did? She spent, you'll never believe how many hours. Four hours. Four hours. In a Muji. She spent four hours in a Muji. She showed up to dinner with two suitcases full of stuff from Muji. And I didn't really know about Muji, but then I was in Boston and I passed a Muji.
And I was like, why did she care to go to Muji in Japan for four hours? She kept texting me, hour two, still here.
Just wooden spoons. That's all you bought? So many wooden spoons.
Have you used them? Where are they?
Nope. You know, I've taken them out of the suitcase, but they're still, you know, like they feel too good to use.
From Muji?
So when you got your Birkin, that was a really big highlight because like we could all just like breathe. Like it had happened. Like he made it his mission.
No, it wasn't my mission. It was not.
But then like it was a super, super high high. And then like just it was tears from that.
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Chapter 4: How do they reflect on their friendship and shared experiences?
I don't mind. Good. Well, I want to hear about big mistakes.
I'm just so happy to talk about it.
It's amazing. There was this one, not to spoil. Well, it's not a spoiler, but you were in bed with your boyfriend. And you had this line that I just thought was so moving where you said, God is perfect, but the people that interpret him are not. I thought that was really beautiful. Thanks.
You know, like when you're in a comedy and you're playing a pastor, the last thing I wanted was to make religion the butt of the joke. I think it's easy. I think it's lazy. And I really wanted his relationship to faith and to God to be real. Right.
So we worked with a gay pastor to authenticate the scenes that we were writing in the church and make sure that like at no point was Christianity ever going to be the butt of the joke. Right.
And it wasn't. No, it never was. It never was. I was so moved by it. I was in. I watched it. We were on a road trip from Boston to New York and I watched it and I stopped everyone in the car and I wouldn't shut up about it for like an hour. I thought it was just so well put.
It's so nice to like have people watch something that you've just been like working on for a year and no one really, like none of my friends, none of my family like knew what I was doing.
They didn't know you.
Well, you like squirrel away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't really like talking about work that much. So when I'm with my friends, we're not talking about, I'm not like. Right, right. I wrote a great line. Do you want me to read it for you? Like that's not what it is. So it's nice now to like have the show be on its way out or I don't know like when it might be out. Okay.
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Chapter 5: How do we navigate feelings of self-doubt and insecurity?
Really? Well, yes. Because I'm sure and unassuming. No, I think you're incredibly charming and people want to be around you.
Wow, thank you so much. Well, you know that. I really don't sometimes. Okay, sometimes. I really... No, I really... Sometimes you do that. I really feel very annoying sometimes.
Chapter 6: What impact does public perception have on personal relationships?
Have you ever felt that way in your life?
I feel annoying every single day.
I really feel... And then it's hard when people online are like, no, you are annoying.
Yeah, yeah, 100%. You'll read one comment. You'll see people saying the nicest things, and then one comment that speaks to... a thought you've actually had. And you're like, that's it. That person with an anonymous bot. They got me.
Chapter 7: How do we deal with the pressure of audience expectations in creative work?
They got me.
They know exactly who I am.
It's that scene in girls where Lena Dunham says everything you could have possibly, you could possibly say to me, I've said to myself already in the last 10 minutes. That's right. And that's, that's, but I, and I really felt that the other week, like I was reading stuff and I was like, Ooh, I feel that way.
I also think that, the press cycle at this point is such a tornado that if, if something works like for shits, we, we were, I mean, you know, you get into the kind of cycle of, of people wanting to talk to you because your show's a hit. And then the more you talk, the more you speak. And then the more you speak, the more you're aware of yourself speaking. And then by the end of it,
Chapter 8: Why is it important to stay true to your creative vision?
I was so kind of embarrassed of the level of exposure that I had that it's almost permanently scarred my relationship to like myself in a way. A lot of the therapy that I'm doing is like, no, you're not embarrassing. Was there a moment that really stuck with you? No, it's not a moment, but you can see it happen.
Like someone goes from like making something that's cool, that catches on, then there's the like photo shoot cycle where suddenly it's like a million photo shoots and now we're whatever. Then you go through like a cycle of talking about your work. And when you talk about your work and people pedestalize your work, then you start to talk about the like...
how profound your work is, which you've never thought about before. Then you start to talk about, okay, well, like, I guess I am doing something important. And then when the dust settles of all of it, you're like, what a clown.
Really?
For me at least. Yeah. I, I think I walked away from when the Emmys happened and we, we want, I mean, I said it in my Emmy speech, which breaks my heart. I actually said when I won my last Emmy of the night, can't believe that's a sentence. That was awesome. I think I said, I apologized. For just being.
Because I was so aware that this was the moment when people were going to say, okay, they have too much. And I was aware of it in real time. And it's one of the big heartbreaks was the fact that culture or the way that we respond to people's success can sometimes be vicious after a certain point. It's like you see it with people.
It's like we lift them up, we lift them up, we lift them up, we lift them up. And then at some point, there's a tipping point where the media decides, okay, they've had enough. Why do you think that is? Because you can't, the balloon can't stay afloat forever. Right. It's just how this works. And I think I remember in that moment feeling insecure.
And then I heard a conversation that was happening publicly. There was a podcast that happened where someone was saying like that I didn't deserve all that I got. And I thought, again, it's that moment of like, oh, someone sees me. Yes, yeah. And it took me a long time to realize I did deserve what I got.
And also, I was hearing this from another gay person, and I thought, more than anything else, if I win, you win. If I get to make more things, you get to do more things. The more that culture sees... us succeeding, the more they want to give us things. And it's very short-sighted because it's like, this is a hit, let's recreate it. But I remember at the time thinking like, damn, okay.
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