Alisa Donovan

Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host, Alisa Donovan.

Hey, everybody.

Elisa Donovan here, back with a new episode of Killer Thriller.

This is our second part of my interview with Sarah Edmondson, where she talks about getting out of NXIVM, the branding that they went through, and all of the work that she is doing today to help people escape cults and ideally never get involved with one.

How much do you think actually being a mom in the midst of this helped you get out of it?

Because you must have thought, oh my gosh, wait a second.

I know.

Sorry.

That's my fault.

So you'd stay, right?

And keep recruiting people and keep doing... Yeah, keep recruiting.

Well, when you see the actual, you know, they share the text messages and the vows, you can see them.

It's like...

Yes, from the outside you say, this is ludicrous that these people would do this.

But then you also think, oh, okay, you know, it could be sort of like a joke.

And I think, you know, you say at one point, this is like a metaphor.

This isn't a real master-slave thing, but it really was.

Because you, all right, let's talk about the branding that everyone has.

I, yes, please.

And they did stuff.