Alisa Donovan

And you're like, well, that's crazy.

she may have but I think you would never think I'm going to be branded like cattle I think I can imagine where if you hear that word it would sound like oh a brand of like a like a symbol you know something yes

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's also as a Jewish of the Jewish faith, that's pretty, a lot of people have feelings about tattoos in general, right?

Right.

So then you felt like, wait, I should be, I'm higher up.

I should be doing this or how, if she can do it, I certainly should.

So twisted.

So you fly to Albany then and knowing that this is what you're going to do is to get this mark.

And this is for people who don't know, I, I can't express enough how disturbing this is.

It is, uh, uh, like a, a cauterizing iron, right?

That is put on your body, uh,

Tell me about that.

You all have to be naked.

The subversive, the controlling aspects of this entire ceremony are so despicable to me, and they're so insidious and so...

twisted can you explain it with as much as that you're comfortable that you're being held down by other women who are then you're supposed to feel good about that somehow and then are branded with this thing that a woman is also a female doctor is doing with no anesthetic I am like

I just – my heart breaks for everyone who went through that.

I understand that a hundred percent.

Yes.

So only what you feel you would like to say.

you know some mumbo jumbo about commitment and honor and guru and i don't you know holy so like in the middle of it then it's like this is why you're doing this uh like some spiritual uh