Alison Morris

That is something that never happened, would not happen.

Yeah, he was asked by police, have you touched her breasts?

And he responded, no.

The detective is then heard asking, have you ever done anything like that?

To which again, he responded, no.

Complainably, he then claimed that while she was being assaulted, that Eleanor Donaldson came in to the door of the room and then walked away.

We've heard all this previously during when the complainants were given their evidence.

And then we hear police putting this to Geoffrey Donaldson during those interviews in 2024.

And the officer is heard asking, did that happen?

And he said there was one occasion and he said, I can't remember the time of year, but there was one occasion that Witness Bain himself were alone.

Geoffrey Donaldson told police that he and Witness B were set together, but added that there was nothing of an inappropriate nature in terms of breast exposure or anything like that.

And the detective then asked, was any part of that sexually motivated?

And he responded, no, absolutely not.

And then he said, I'm sorry, but that just did not happen.

Yeah, and you can read those reports from last week when the Hoyes were given evidence to the court.

So this was the first time we'd heard Geoffrey Donaldson, albeit these were pre-recorded in 2024, being asked about that Christian Family Centre and that meeting organised by the Hoyes.

He said, at no stage did anyone allege any evidence.

of the kind of incidents that you have mentioned to me here.

And that was of his visit to the centre.

He said, when David, that's David Hoy, asked to meet with me and look, he said, he didn't say very much on the phone.