Alistair Campbell

I agree.

So I think it's, it's, it's, I think it's quite difficult stepping back.

not to raise your eyebrows and say it's a little bit odd, right?

We've just told a whole story where the US is in a much stronger position because it's fracking and getting gas out of the ground.

It's independent.

It doesn't have to care about the Middle East so much.

It's able to be an exporter.

It's making a huge amount of revenue.

And it's able to build all its data centers.

I think it may be.

I mean, look, I'm not sure.

I was sympathetic to the idea, and then they started doing it in Cheshire, and it kept sparking earthquakes.

At which point, I guess we get into questions of whether the British geology allows it.

But again, remember, with all these questions...

Are we being honest with ourselves?

Are we being a bit nimby?

Because presumably, all those American fracking projects, the communities were horrified and worried about groundwater and worried about earthquakes and opposed them.

Still are.

Some of them still are.

Looking at in the round, did the US benefit from fracking or not?