Alistair Campbell

So what you'll see a lot of the right-wing media talking about is that the amount that councils have been spending on diversity initiatives has doubled in the last few years, that the number of people specializing in this stuff

has increased that since the Equalities Act, many civil servant departments are gold plating this.

And the argument I think that probably we have to make is quite a difficult one, which is we absolutely defend the Equalities Act, that Kemi Beidnok is wrong to get rid of it, that every developed country in the world has protection for women, for racial minorities, for the disabled, and that this is the basic sign of a civilized society.

But there may be problems with the way in which things are complied with and implemented.

And people may be sensing that one of the frustrating things with government, and maybe in their mind, they associate it with health and safety, they associate it with bureaucratic box ticking, is a whole culture of compliance, which seems for them to go against common sense.

And what they're trying to say is, listen, the police's job is to be good police, get in there,

do their investigation, be curious about what's going on, and what on earth does this guy think he's doing, handcuffing somebody who's lying on the ground?

What is the context that could possibly cause that?

Which is what happened.

Exactly.

For international listeners, 11 policemen were injured, a police dog was injured, and there were terrifying scenes of guys literally attacking police lines, trying, I think, to get to Vikram Digwar's house.

And also the normalisation and degradation of British politics.

I was listening to the debate in Parliament when we were

In Finland.

And I realised that the language being used in Parliament is not language that would have been around when I was still in Parliament.

How easily Generic stands up and says, will you accept that it's not just black lives that matter, but white lives matter too?

Or people asking the Home Secretary to...

commit that white people will be treated equally under the law.

I mean, it's really weird.

I mean, that stuff would have been booed six, seven years because it's ridiculous.