Alistair Campbell

It's nonsense.

Okay, so one of the challenges James made in our interview, as a conservative politician, we haven't had many conservative politicians on, is to say that the Labour government...

is not good at listening to all minorities.

It's good at listening to some minorities.

I guess what he means by that is it's not very good at listening to the minority white working class population.

Let me try to...

get beyond.

Farage is a massive hypocritical dick.

And there's no more evidence for his hypocrisy than the fact that when Trump commits a crime, he's on record saying, there should be quiet anger as opposed to rage.

Nothing's achieved by rage.

When it's a woman, Sarah Everard, killed by a man, Farage says, we mustn't allow tragic murder to turn into attacks on men and police.

But when it's a white man killed by a Sikh, he's not saying we mustn't allow tragic murder to turn into attacks on Sikhs and the police.

Put that all aside, though.

What is the issue going on in the background?

Why are so many people who wouldn't consider themselves natural reform or restore voters agreeing with Farage?

And what's he...

getting into.

There could be socioeconomic arguments.

So you'll have friends who'll say this is because the white working class are not doing well economically.

But there's an underlying sense that we have created a big, big compliance state.