Alistair Campbell

Leasehold in particular is really, really hard to understand.

And it's my main job to try and understand it.

But it's interesting that it's not communicated in that way, right?

No one's talking about leaseholders, though that's going to help Gen Z, even though it is renters' rights, maybe a bit more so, but still not really employment rights we can get to in a minute in detail.

But they're not sold as, here are our policies for future, here's our new deal for young people.

Because when we were chatting about those policies, we were like, oh, actually, yeah, they are for young people, but you don't think of it that way.

And actually Zach Polanski and the Green Party talking about abolishing landlords which I think is

That choice is completely removed for Gen Z. I want to play you Asha because it really sums up what you're saying there.

Like she should have the world at her feet and she just doesn't.

She's living in Ilford in her parents' house, which they do own, but she can't afford to move out.

When you hear the young people that I've played out talking, though, it's going to take years for all of this to work out, assuming that it does.

Is there a risk that we've now got a generation who are going to be scarred as they enter into their 30s and 40s?

Because I'm 38, right?

I've got a one-bedroom flat.

Really grateful that I was able to buy that, but that's not where I thought I would be living at 38 years old.

And I'm looking at what it will take to have a bigger house.

Potentially it's going to be in the next few years, but I'm approaching 40.

And would I have had children already if I'd had a house sooner?

We know our birth rate is falling.

It's hit the lowest level since the Second World War.