Alistair Campbell

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The big unanswered question out of Davos.

was when Mark Carney talks about middle powers, maybe embracing their power more, what might that actually mean in practice?

Yeah, because he backs off.

And then it's like, we're going to talk in question time about Minnesota.

And last night, for example, the whole media was about, is Donald Trump softening his approach?

And we sort of, we pass and analyze these sort of movements that he makes.

But I think the thread that goes through all this is still very much on we're the only power that matters in the world.

You lot are weak.

You lot are becoming irrelevant.

And what he did in Davos was he reminded – he made that blatantly clear.

There was no – even an attempt to sort of say this is a partnership.

It was brutal, hard politics.

And I think the reason why Mark Carney's speech was so significant –

And of course, whether it genuinely goes down in history, which it might, depends on how long he survives and it depends on what this new world order becomes.

But I think that's what was really interesting about the whole thing is people were – that phrase that he used, this is a rupture, not a transition.

And also, I don't know if you remember this, when we interviewed him for the first time, I think –

It might have been the second time.

He's one of the few people we've interviewed twice.

But that phrase that went down as a big part of the speech, if you're not at the table, you're on the menu.