Amb. Sam Brownback

That suffocation move is what I call it.

They're not going to really throw you in jail, though they are in some places, but most of it's just about,

taking the insurance away from crisis pregnancy centers so that their board of directors don't have any coverage.

And so people go, well, I don't know that I want to go on there for that.

I'll be out there with you.

I'll contribute, but I'm not going to lead if I'm putting everything else on the line.

So that's really the effort in the West that we've got to push back against and stand up against.