Ambassador Robert Blackwill

And

That will take ignoring, in some cases, their human rights, domestic practices, and others.

First of all, I think President Trump is a unique singular figure in American history and that he will take much of Trumpism with him as he goes out the door.

India comes to mind a determined avoidance of anything that smells like an alliance while they get closer to the United States, which has been happening, and so forth.

In particular, in particular, the erratic behavior that he prefers, the contempt for America's alliances, the statement that American values have no place in American foreign policy and so forth.

And what they want...

I think, out of the United States is a consistency based on American strength, based on American strength, not a consistency based on ideology from their point of view.

Those are so un-American, those views, that I think he takes them out the door with him.

And I tried to make an argument, and it's argued at length in the report, that American strength

Yes.

Well, I'm speculating, but let me say what I think he won't throw away, which is American nationalism, which has dominated American grand strategy since the founding.

has not been impressive, the application of American strength.

You mentioned, and I neglected to follow up, the Obama administration's decision to abandon the Trans-Pacific Partnership was catastrophic.

It was a chance to have a framework for international trade in Asia led by the United States.

And now we have no multilateral framework.

Meanwhile, Asia itself is organizing and has organized itself with such a framework.

And we have the irony now that

China's in charge of it.

Well, it became weaker, as I tried to say earlier, but the

China has applied to be a member of what is the essence of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.