Ambassador Robert Blackwill

Right.

But in Europe, the danger is, and it's an analog to what you raised with respect to Taiwan, who believes that Donald Trump will abide by Article 5, that is to say, an attack on one is an attack on all, essentially, if little green men go into a Baltic state.

Oh, right.

Right.

And so can Putin, especially if he can't conquer Ukraine, will he test the proposition, too, about Trump?

So a spark there could lead to the collapse of NATO, for example.

if the United States were not willing to abide by Article 5, or even worse, somehow endorsed the little green men from Russia, the paramilitaries, into the Baltic states.

And President Trump, after his interactions with President Putin,

often seems to accept President Putin's explanation of what is happening in the world.

So there's a point.

But the most dangerous, I'll just say this to make it clear, the most dangerous place on earth as that spark you mentioned for the rest of the Trump term is Taiwan.

That's because of the reasons we said, I think is the most dangerous.

And that spark quote could happen anytime.

Well, the peace deal, the one I would support, will...

reward Russia, because there is no stomach in the West and no capability in Ukraine to drive Russia out of the Donbas and out of Crimea.

So they are going to profit at the expense of more than a million deaths and so forth from their invasion.

The question is,

rather, is rather, can we stop them where they are and retain Ukrainian sovereignty?

And some of the things that Mr. Witkoff has proposed in the past would jeopardize or even end Ukrainian sovereignty.

So that's the question.