Ambassador Robert Blackwill

Vance will say the same thing, for example, that President Trump says and Mr. Miller says about that power and strength is everything in the world.

I would be very surprised.

When I was in the Serengeti recently, I had a guide say in the Serengeti,

every night animals eat and animals are eaten.

Well, I think that's Mr. Miller's view of current civilization, and it's not shared by the American people.

And I think if Mr. Vance were to campaign

on that gangsterism, which incidentally has some loyalties at least, that would be a mistake.

So anyway, whoever's the next president will have the opportunity to build that trust.

If it's Mr. Vance and he keeps denigrating our democratically elected allies, then trust will not be reestablished.

Good to see you.

Thanks for having me.

And in life, we know it can be reestablished unless the perforation of the trust goes on.

And so if the next president says, I know trust in America has weakened to the Europeans, but just watch me and you're going to see a consistency of our policies.

And I hope we'll build trust over time.

That is fair.

It won't happen automatically.

The consensus of which you speak, Chuck, governed America's approach to the world from the end of World War II to Mr. Trump.

But the question which you imply, Chuck, is, and I don't know the answer is, well, what about if the next president says,

treats the European allies the way this one has, well, when is it that they finally give up on America?

And it was pursued by presidents in both parties.