Amir Salihefendić

And also the retention isn't as great as if you actually have businesses or enterprises using your product.

Actually, I don't know.

I don't know, actually.

I mean, I know that the churn is bad compared to the benchmark, but honestly, I don't really care that much.

There's some people inside a company that care more about this than me.

I do, but I think like there's a lot of like focus on the numbers and, you know, the dashboards and stuff like that.

And honestly, like, yeah.

Ignore the number.

Yeah.

I don't really feel like that.

I kind of feel like I'm creating a tool and if people, you know, find it useful, they find it useful.

If they don't, you know, they have other tools they can use.

So it's kind of like a very, you know, zen-like philosophy.

And I think like it makes me like sleep much better at night than kind of like, you know, like dreaming about or like nightmaring about bad churn.

I mean, we really want to tackle the collaboration space, adding proper multiplayer, sharing, and twist.

We also have really great ideas for asynchronous communication.

So all of these, I think actually will be kind of like,

like just increasing our lifetime value a lot usefulness as well because honestly like creating a tool that is mostly for individuals is brutal like if you're doing anything like that's not something i can recommend doing because uh you have like very hard time to actually keep users uh because you don't have like a natural way to bring them back like with collaboration it's much much easier and your whole team by the way we should point to that as fully remote correct you have no office

Yeah, we have been remote since day one.

Yeah, I mean, Twist is also like a freaking like stock fest, you know, like most companies would have given up by now.