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Amit Avner

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
186 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

And you go and try to figure out, OK, what is the best thing to do for them?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

Do you cut in half?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

Do you keep it around a million dollars and offer them more data or more services?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

That's why there's a lot of variance.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

When you're doing something new, there's always trial and error until you figure out what's the best thing to do because you want it to be a win-win situation.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

I think that's the biggest thing.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

As long as you make sure everyone wins from that, then it's a good thing.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

So I can tell you a story about Stakey from about three years ago.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

We were operating until then as a media company.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

So we weren't even selling our data.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

We were just basically selling media and we would buy the media on the client's behalf and basically take a margin off whatever, like using our data.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

We bought the media for cheap and sold it for higher than that and sent it to an arbitrage business.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

And when you do that, you can make a ton of money.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

There's a lot of very successful large companies making a ton of money, but then your multiple is 2x on the company because they're selling media.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

Then you drop the media portion, just sell people the data.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

Let's say you even, if you stay the same size, the company is all of a sudden worth five times more than it was worth before, which is the world of startups.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

That's how things work.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

And it's fair.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

It's fair because I can see why a data company is easier to scale than a media company.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
923 He's Doing $10m-$30m in ARR Between Adtech and SaaS

I can see why a SaaS business where you have subscriptions is a better public company than a non-recurring business.