Amy McGrath

I want to get your take on this as as a Navy or how professional is this for these Apache pilots here?

It's terrible to undermine the United States Army like that.

And then, as you said, the politicization, what this message that this sends to anyone in our military is, you can do anything you want as long as you're pro-Trump and you do something that touts the Secretary of War or Donald Trump and you invoke his name and you're a Trumper, then we're going to protect you.

And no matter what you do, I mean, that's the message.

That's the message it sends.

Well, Ken, it's really great to have you on the show again.

Thank you for being a part of Truth in the Barrel.

Great to see you and I hope you come back again soon.

Welcome back, everyone, to a special Devil's Cut edition of Truth in the Barrel.

I'm Amy McGrath.

Today, we are discussing the role of Christianity in public life and politics in America.

We are lucky to have Michael Ware, the founder, president, and CEO of the Center for Christianity and Public Life.

And he's written a really important book called The Spirit of Our Politics, Spiritual Formation, and the Renovation of Public Life.

Welcome, Michael.

Well, it's an important one right now.

And I'm really thankful that you would come on the show and talk to us because there's a lot to discuss at the moment here about Christianity, public life, and what's happening in America.

Well, let's start out.

You're the CEO of the Center for Christianity and Public Life.

And I want to get your take on what is the state of Christianity and public life in America right now?

It's interesting what you say that religion has increased its importance maybe in public life.