Amy McGrath

And I think you're right about that if you really think about it.

One of the things that has concerned me is, you know, in my experience in the military, commanders, leaders –

Many were religious.

And that was very important that they go to church, that they be seen.

I always felt like that was good.

Yeah.

But they were very professional in the sense that in public life, meaning in public service in the United States of America,

Where we have a constitution that has the First Amendment, which says that we don't try to push religion onto citizens where citizens can have whatever faith they want.

Right.

Or no faith at all.

And that's not a requirement.

That's right.

And all of these things in public life.

I've found that the leaders, at least in the military, did a very good job of not making that front and center.

And I worry that that has shifted dramatically.

a little bit there is this sort of underlying litmus test now in the military for example where you have to be this yeah or you will not be promoted or you will not be welcomed in this unit and of course then more broadly in america right well and and i think um

Well, tell us why, a little bit about your work at the Center for Christianity and Public Life and why you started this work.

It's interesting you talk about the public good because I had a really good discussion a couple of months ago with some Catholic nuns, the Sisters of Loretto in Kentucky.

And they talked time and time again about common good and that we needed to have public officials involved.

who understood and tried to work for the common good.