Anand Giridharadas

I love what you guys are doing. I think you are role modeling a spirit of fighting that has essentially become absent. from the political left in this country and you are role modeling it back to life. And I so appreciate that. You know, it's funny you talk about that book, Winners Take All, which is my third book. I was joking the other day to a friend of mine, but I was only half joking.

I love what you guys are doing. I think you are role modeling a spirit of fighting that has essentially become absent. from the political left in this country and you are role modeling it back to life. And I so appreciate that. You know, it's funny you talk about that book, Winners Take All, which is my third book. I was joking the other day to a friend of mine, but I was only half joking.

I love what you guys are doing. I think you are role modeling a spirit of fighting that has essentially become absent. from the political left in this country and you are role modeling it back to life. And I so appreciate that. You know, it's funny you talk about that book, Winners Take All, which is my third book. I was joking the other day to a friend of mine, but I was only half joking.

I was like, do I have the least successful career of all time? Because my first book, Four books, all warnings. First book about India, but the message was social change, even progress can be psychologically destabilizing to people in ways that we got to pay attention to. My second book was a warning about rising white resentment as the kind of dominant political force in the country, 2014.

I was like, do I have the least successful career of all time? Because my first book, Four books, all warnings. First book about India, but the message was social change, even progress can be psychologically destabilizing to people in ways that we got to pay attention to. My second book was a warning about rising white resentment as the kind of dominant political force in the country, 2014.

I was like, do I have the least successful career of all time? Because my first book, Four books, all warnings. First book about India, but the message was social change, even progress can be psychologically destabilizing to people in ways that we got to pay attention to. My second book was a warning about rising white resentment as the kind of dominant political force in the country, 2014.

Third book was warning the billionaires trying to grab all the wealth and power by convincing us they're heroes. And the fourth book was about how the left was growing too insular and not devoted enough to persuasion. And so I sometimes reflect on the fact that I wrote four books offering four warnings and none of them were heeded by anybody. So, you know, but here I am. Here I am.

Third book was warning the billionaires trying to grab all the wealth and power by convincing us they're heroes. And the fourth book was about how the left was growing too insular and not devoted enough to persuasion. And so I sometimes reflect on the fact that I wrote four books offering four warnings and none of them were heeded by anybody. So, you know, but here I am. Here I am.

Third book was warning the billionaires trying to grab all the wealth and power by convincing us they're heroes. And the fourth book was about how the left was growing too insular and not devoted enough to persuasion. And so I sometimes reflect on the fact that I wrote four books offering four warnings and none of them were heeded by anybody. So, you know, but here I am. Here I am.

Hope springs eternal.

Hope springs eternal.

Hope springs eternal.

Well, just to go back to your billionaire thing, and then I'll come to the journalism thing, you know, 2018, long time ago, in the kind of dog-year reality that we're living in right now, when I wrote a book critiquing billionaires, and by the way, I wasn't just critiquing right-wing billionaires in that book. In fact, I focused on billionaires

Well, just to go back to your billionaire thing, and then I'll come to the journalism thing, you know, 2018, long time ago, in the kind of dog-year reality that we're living in right now, when I wrote a book critiquing billionaires, and by the way, I wasn't just critiquing right-wing billionaires in that book. In fact, I focused on billionaires

Well, just to go back to your billionaire thing, and then I'll come to the journalism thing, you know, 2018, long time ago, in the kind of dog-year reality that we're living in right now, when I wrote a book critiquing billionaires, and by the way, I wasn't just critiquing right-wing billionaires in that book. In fact, I focused on billionaires

who you and I might be more sympathetic to, to illustrate the point that even the good billionaires are problematic, right? Even the ones who have the same policy goals as you are problematic because to have that much money is to have a power over other, a level of power over other people that is inconsistent with the democracy we care about.

who you and I might be more sympathetic to, to illustrate the point that even the good billionaires are problematic, right? Even the ones who have the same policy goals as you are problematic because to have that much money is to have a power over other, a level of power over other people that is inconsistent with the democracy we care about.

who you and I might be more sympathetic to, to illustrate the point that even the good billionaires are problematic, right? Even the ones who have the same policy goals as you are problematic because to have that much money is to have a power over other, a level of power over other people that is inconsistent with the democracy we care about.

And when I wrote that in 2018, so many Democrats, people on the left were like, Yeah, I get inequality is kind of sad, but like, why are you going after, you know, Bill Gates is doing some good work. And, you know, Jeff Bezos says he wants to give some money away and get really buff. And, you know, he needs some money to take Lauren Sanchez on dates or whatever.

And when I wrote that in 2018, so many Democrats, people on the left were like, Yeah, I get inequality is kind of sad, but like, why are you going after, you know, Bill Gates is doing some good work. And, you know, Jeff Bezos says he wants to give some money away and get really buff. And, you know, he needs some money to take Lauren Sanchez on dates or whatever.