Anand Giridharadas

Right.

There is no doubt that there is a core group of people who were knowledgeable about, engaged in, and shared participation in crimes of pedophilia at the heart, the burning heart of this story.

That is obviously its own circle of hell.

We know from testimony of survivors that it was more people than just him, that he was trafficking them to other people.

We have some of the names.

We don't have all the names.

But that was happening, and that's the burning heart of this story.

that can't be forgotten.

And then there's, what made that possible?

Who were the, very practically that means, who were the other people who didn't do that, but who are aware of it, who facilitated it, for whom it was not a problem, who were not later discouraged by it when deciding whether to let him into something.

Then what was the circle around that?

That just, you know, universities that maybe knew a Larry Summers was a

Pally with him or we're accepting money and just didn't stop the thing.

Right.

And then you can keep going out from there.

And here's it's sometimes helpful to shift the metaphor.

Right.

I think about when I was in India as a reporter for The Times and you would have, you know, a problem of so-called honor killings in rural villages in North India.

Right.

A young woman dares to have a boyfriend or some kind of dalliance before marriage, and her own father might kill her, or men in her family might kill her, or people in her village might kill her.